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Not a Mary sue - stamp by Angi-Shy Not a Mary sue - stamp by Angi-Shy
I wanted to make this stamp very long time ago... I saw alot of people that are calling our characters a Mary-Sues and they do, as though they are slightly better. But the opposite is true. Most people who call us Mary-sue have completely empty gallery. So they can only envy our characters... And if they have anything at the gallery, they are mostly unoriginal nonsenses. So it's very funny when they call us unoriginal.
So this is my opinion. I read very much about what a Mary Sue is, and most people seem like they never read anythog about what it is when they try to call Mary-sue anything what is nicer than their work. They just want to feel that they are a bit more, especially if theirs "opinion" includes attempts to insult and vulgar words.

For me, Mary Sue is NOT a character that is drawn in an existing style. Mary Sue is a character that was simple invented by recoloring of the SAME clothes parts of OFFICIAL characters (for example recolour the whole look, hair and clothes of Lisa Simpson and call her "original"). But if the character has its own distinctive appearance and behavior, so it can NOT be Mary Sue just because the character is drawn in a style that someone has already invented. If the same character will be drawn in our own style and still will have the same hair, same clothes, which we invented, even if in an existing style, so it will not be Mary Sue, or it will be Mary Sue even all the things 100% belong to us? That's stupid...
For example ... I have an original character named "Karla" (charlotte). She is drawn in MY original style and has an original hairstyle, appearance, behavior, clothes ... If I draw her for example in the style of Sonic, so she becomes Mary Sue? Just because she will be drawn in the style of Sonic? This argument is of the utmost absurdity.

My character Angi is usually drawn in a style Animaniacs, that belongs to the WB, but she has the original hair, clothes, appearance, behavior. Just being drawn in the style of the Animaniacs. Mostly because I like the style and it fit her. But still ... appearance and dress, and behavior ... I know that there are stubborn people who will still argue that he or she is Mary-Sue ... it's your opinion, but you would also have to respect this opinion and stop attacking strangers with the words that they are Mary-Sue, especially if it is not your thing and there is no need to blame them.
By the way...everyone started somehow. So you have a "Mary-Sue" at least once, too!

This stamp is for all those that have an ORIGINAL characters, just drawn in our favourite existing styles! :glomp:
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hmmm...
First critic on a stamp!
Here goes! :D

Firstly, it's great to see an anti-mary sue stamp however from what I've read from your description, it seemed like you were saying that a mary sue is all about style. You kept mixing an edit as if it's the same as a mary sue.(same type of clothes, same type of hair not changing etc etc).
An edit is an edit, plain and simple.
So this part is incorrect!

It's more about the type of personality. I haven't seen any of your characters, so I have no idea what people say about them. But are they;
- overly happy and everybody loves her?
- angst and everybody loves her?
- in love with the main character and he shows major OOC in showing his feelings towards her?
Those are the few traits of a mary sue. Maybe those people making toff* about you picture were just trolling.
Especially if they class your character as a sue just by looking at it!
To be honest appearance has very very...very little to do with a mary sue...

Also you lost me a bit when you brought up the envy part. You don't have to be a genius to spot something unoriginal just as you don't have to be a master at all arts and crafts to write a critic. Anyone can tell when one eye is bigger than the other or something is just plain off, so that part seemed a little insulting as I've given critics on art before, at a time when I had only 2 works of art in my gallery. :(
A bit stereotypical as well.. like saying "if someone has less art and less skill than you don't listen to them," which I highly doubt you're trying to say!

*toff, I'm not sure if I spelled that right (i'm not english) but it basically mean BSing over something little.

Don't mind the ratings please... ^^;
I'm not sure how to rate a stamp :P
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Animedemon001 Featured By Owner Apr 16, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
The drawing does not make a character good or well developed. There are tons of RP's where characters who are greatly developed, but badly draw are rejected. But Sue's (Its mostly the special snowflakes that get me) with great artwork (sometimes its stolen) are let in. Everyone needs to realize that good art does not mean good characters.
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Seven-deadly-turtles Featured By Owner Feb 3, 2013  Student Artist
I think it's more Sue-ing if the character has natural hair that isn't a normal color in that fandom. Like purple hair in Naruto would be normal, in Death-Note, not do much. Mary sues can be totally original, and you never know if the empty gallery people can't post pictures or whatever. Besides, in a few cases, appearance can have nothing to do with a Sue. Sues have a perfect personality, and appearance. I don't consider a character a Sue if they are pretty but horrible people, or vice versa.
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Kakashi-Soma Featured By Owner Nov 14, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I agree with this. Don't get why people call a character a Mary/Gary sue just because they made them the way they want them to be. Hell what if they wanted them to be that way. One of my eldest characters is a Gary sue mainly on his past. All I'm saying is the same as your stamp, that and it's a matter of the character themselves.
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KanadeAkatsuki Featured By Owner Nov 11, 2012  Hobbyist Artist
... I HATE MARY SUES!!!!!!!!!! D ho and thank for the anti mary sue stamp :)
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ShadowCaster-635 Featured By Owner Oct 31, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I agree with this stamp. The thing is, is that you can be as creative as you want to be with your character and make her/ him this and that and curvy/ masculine and you write one page long paragraph on how the character's hair flows in the wind and how it sparkles and... (( i think i know what i mean)) BUT! The thing that does make Mary Sue... Is the plot the author wishes to write and how many conflicts go towards the author's character.
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xXScarilverXx Featured By Owner Sep 1, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
yes yes it's true! just because some of our o.cs look like the exist character, dosen't mean it's a marysue
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PhotoPhobee Featured By Owner Aug 1, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
But if the character, lets say sonic style drawn, is involved with the sonic universe and is a mary sue.......
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Yukira-Hotoshi Featured By Owner Apr 4, 2012
Original design =/= not a Mary-Sue.
A character can have an original design and possess Mary-Sue qualities.

When it comes to fan-characters, Mary-Sues are easy to spot. They usually have an over-the-top design that doesn't fit in the world of the fandom. And their interactions with canon characters usually results in the canon characters going completely out-of-character.

True, it doesn't matter what style it's drawn in.
But the originality of the design also doesn't matter.
The general character background, traits and personality are what make a Mary-Sue.

Also, the "you're just jealous" line is gratingly overused.
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the-shy-seadweller Featured By Owner Mar 17, 2012
[ Most people who call us Mary-sue have completely empty gallery. So they can only envy our characters... And if they have anything at the gallery, they are mostly unoriginal nonsenses. So it's very funny when they call us unoriginal.

Okay? What does having an empty gallery have to do with pointing out that your character is a 'mary-sue'?
You don't have to have pages of art to recognize an unbelievable character. Art and Literature are very alike in many ways, but also very different.
I think you'd make a better point if you took out the part of the empty galleries, it's kind of irrelevant since the subject of a 'mary-sue' is in most cases, in literature.

So they can only envy our characters...
Please, PLEASE, do not use the 'Oh, they're just jealous.' excuse. I'm pretty sure if someone didn't like the traits of your character, then they surely would not be envious of it.

I can't say that I necessarily agree with this stamp, but I don't really hate it either. ]

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supermariogirl85 Featured By Owner Mar 24, 2012  Hobbyist Filmographer
You snatched the words right out of my mouth!
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