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Not a Mary sue - stamp by Angi-Shy Not a Mary sue - stamp by Angi-Shy
I wanted to make this stamp very long time ago... I saw alot of people that are calling our characters a Mary-Sues and they do, as though they are slightly better. But the opposite is true. Most people who call us Mary-sue have completely empty gallery. So they can only envy our characters... And if they have anything at the gallery, they are mostly unoriginal nonsenses. So it's very funny when they call us unoriginal.
So this is my opinion. I read very much about what a Mary Sue is, and most people seem like they never read anythog about what it is when they try to call Mary-sue anything what is nicer than their work. They just want to feel that they are a bit more, especially if theirs "opinion" includes attempts to insult and vulgar words.

For me, Mary Sue is NOT a character that is drawn in an existing style. Mary Sue is a character that was simple invented by recoloring of the SAME clothes parts of OFFICIAL characters (for example recolour the whole look, hair and clothes of Lisa Simpson and call her "original"). But if the character has its own distinctive appearance and behavior, so it can NOT be Mary Sue just because the character is drawn in a style that someone has already invented. If the same character will be drawn in our own style and still will have the same hair, same clothes, which we invented, even if in an existing style, so it will not be Mary Sue, or it will be Mary Sue even all the things 100% belong to us? That's stupid...
For example ... I have an original character named "Karla" (charlotte). She is drawn in MY original style and has an original hairstyle, appearance, behavior, clothes ... If I draw her for example in the style of Sonic, so she becomes Mary Sue? Just because she will be drawn in the style of Sonic? This argument is of the utmost absurdity.

My character Angi is usually drawn in a style Animaniacs, that belongs to the WB, but she has the original hair, clothes, appearance, behavior. Just being drawn in the style of the Animaniacs. Mostly because I like the style and it fit her. But still ... appearance and dress, and behavior ... I know that there are stubborn people who will still argue that he or she is Mary-Sue ... it's your opinion, but you would also have to respect this opinion and stop attacking strangers with the words that they are Mary-Sue, especially if it is not your thing and there is no need to blame them.
By the way...everyone started somehow. So you have a "Mary-Sue" at least once, too!

This stamp is for all those that have an ORIGINAL characters, just drawn in our favourite existing styles! :glomp:
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hmmm...
First critic on a stamp!
Here goes! :D

Firstly, it's great to see an anti-mary sue stamp however from what I've read from your description, it seemed like you were saying that a mary sue is all about style. You kept mixing an edit as if it's the same as a mary sue.(same type of clothes, same type of hair not changing etc etc).
An edit is an edit, plain and simple.
So this part is incorrect!

It's more about the type of personality. I haven't seen any of your characters, so I have no idea what people say about them. But are they;
- overly happy and everybody loves her?
- angst and everybody loves her?
- in love with the main character and he shows major OOC in showing his feelings towards her?
Those are the few traits of a mary sue. Maybe those people making toff* about you picture were just trolling.
Especially if they class your character as a sue just by looking at it!
To be honest appearance has very very...very little to do with a mary sue...

Also you lost me a bit when you brought up the envy part. You don't have to be a genius to spot something unoriginal just as you don't have to be a master at all arts and crafts to write a critic. Anyone can tell when one eye is bigger than the other or something is just plain off, so that part seemed a little insulting as I've given critics on art before, at a time when I had only 2 works of art in my gallery. :(
A bit stereotypical as well.. like saying "if someone has less art and less skill than you don't listen to them," which I highly doubt you're trying to say!

*toff, I'm not sure if I spelled that right (i'm not english) but it basically mean BSing over something little.

Don't mind the ratings please... ^^;
I'm not sure how to rate a stamp :P
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Animedemon001 Featured By Owner Apr 16, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
The drawing does not make a character good or well developed. There are tons of RP's where characters who are greatly developed, but badly draw are rejected. But Sue's (Its mostly the special snowflakes that get me) with great artwork (sometimes its stolen) are let in. Everyone needs to realize that good art does not mean good characters.
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Seven-deadly-turtles Featured By Owner Feb 3, 2013  Student Artist
I think it's more Sue-ing if the character has natural hair that isn't a normal color in that fandom. Like purple hair in Naruto would be normal, in Death-Note, not do much. Mary sues can be totally original, and you never know if the empty gallery people can't post pictures or whatever. Besides, in a few cases, appearance can have nothing to do with a Sue. Sues have a perfect personality, and appearance. I don't consider a character a Sue if they are pretty but horrible people, or vice versa.
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Kakashi-Soma Featured By Owner Nov 14, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I agree with this. Don't get why people call a character a Mary/Gary sue just because they made them the way they want them to be. Hell what if they wanted them to be that way. One of my eldest characters is a Gary sue mainly on his past. All I'm saying is the same as your stamp, that and it's a matter of the character themselves.
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KanadeAkatsuki Featured By Owner Nov 11, 2012  Hobbyist Artist
... I HATE MARY SUES!!!!!!!!!! D ho and thank for the anti mary sue stamp :)
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ShadowCaster-635 Featured By Owner Oct 31, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I agree with this stamp. The thing is, is that you can be as creative as you want to be with your character and make her/ him this and that and curvy/ masculine and you write one page long paragraph on how the character's hair flows in the wind and how it sparkles and... (( i think i know what i mean)) BUT! The thing that does make Mary Sue... Is the plot the author wishes to write and how many conflicts go towards the author's character.
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xXScarilverXx Featured By Owner Sep 1, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
yes yes it's true! just because some of our o.cs look like the exist character, dosen't mean it's a marysue
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PhotoPhobee Featured By Owner Aug 1, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
But if the character, lets say sonic style drawn, is involved with the sonic universe and is a mary sue.......
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Yukira-Hotoshi Featured By Owner Apr 4, 2012
Original design =/= not a Mary-Sue.
A character can have an original design and possess Mary-Sue qualities.

When it comes to fan-characters, Mary-Sues are easy to spot. They usually have an over-the-top design that doesn't fit in the world of the fandom. And their interactions with canon characters usually results in the canon characters going completely out-of-character.

True, it doesn't matter what style it's drawn in.
But the originality of the design also doesn't matter.
The general character background, traits and personality are what make a Mary-Sue.

Also, the "you're just jealous" line is gratingly overused.
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the-shy-seadweller Featured By Owner Mar 17, 2012
[ Most people who call us Mary-sue have completely empty gallery. So they can only envy our characters... And if they have anything at the gallery, they are mostly unoriginal nonsenses. So it's very funny when they call us unoriginal.

Okay? What does having an empty gallery have to do with pointing out that your character is a 'mary-sue'?
You don't have to have pages of art to recognize an unbelievable character. Art and Literature are very alike in many ways, but also very different.
I think you'd make a better point if you took out the part of the empty galleries, it's kind of irrelevant since the subject of a 'mary-sue' is in most cases, in literature.

So they can only envy our characters...
Please, PLEASE, do not use the 'Oh, they're just jealous.' excuse. I'm pretty sure if someone didn't like the traits of your character, then they surely would not be envious of it.

I can't say that I necessarily agree with this stamp, but I don't really hate it either. ]

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supermariogirl85 Featured By Owner Mar 24, 2012  Hobbyist Filmographer
You snatched the words right out of my mouth!
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veekaizhanez Featured By Owner Mar 16, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
My OCs are not Sues [link] Guardianz are a team that not too attractive, and they still have flaws based from their species and elements, they sometimes naughty and like to bully one another, and they also not always save the day because sometimes they win or lose or discontinued or surrendered.......
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Ryushusupercat Featured By Owner Feb 19, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
....so this stamp ISN'T for those who have fan-characters (like a Sonic fan character) that are still creative and original?
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Angi-Shy Featured By Owner Feb 20, 2012  Professional General Artist
it is, thats what the stamp talk about...the characters are still original characters, no matter what style they are drawn in...animaniacs, happy tree friends, goofy, anime, even sonic style...all these and all other styles which are used for own characters count. Cause even the characters that are based on any tv show or something and they are drawn using their style are original with the design and behavior
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KaguyaTsukiHime Featured By Owner Jan 29, 2012  Student Digital Artist
I agree with this. :I
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DesuneYing Featured By Owner Jan 9, 2012
I rly dont care about mary sue's/Gary stu's i mean Its YOUR character Its YOUR Imagination
U can do whatever u want with them cause theyre YOURS
If they dont like your character then why bother replying? just ignore them c; <3
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Angi-Shy Featured By Owner Jan 9, 2012  Professional General Artist
this is a very good point at all, that i forgot about! Exactly the characters are ours, and we can to "ruin" them however we want, why to follow some stupid rules about what is mary sue that arent even real, but just a result of boredom some critic xD If every character was made avoiding everything that would make them a mary sueish, then nobody could do alot of thing that somebody said about that they are cliché :/,,, no wings, no wampires, no raped childhoods, no any cute barbie snobby girls that were made and supossed to be hated xD and after then it would be all boring xD im not sure if my text makes any sense though :confused:
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DesuneYing Featured By Owner Jan 9, 2012
IKR!! As Child i had this awesome Mary-Sue shes still in my art and stuff and u can see the edited one but sometimes its kinda fun to make a Mary sue and then let her go into an Anime and destroy your hated anime char and then suddenly Fly away with your Beloved one x3 ~ Let your imagination do the wooork >V<
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MarissaSunshine Featured By Owner Dec 13, 2011  Hobbyist Filmographer
I got an Adventure Time OC who is a villain. And, well if you're going to have an OC for that cartoon, it HAS to be in that style. So, is my mermaid queen a Mary Sue? Nope. She's a bad guy who causes trouble. Villain FCs are ALWAYS fun. :)
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nciryalis Featured By Owner Dec 9, 2011  Hobbyist Digital Artist
so I got a question, I drew Blaze the Cat from Sonic Sega Games and I got a comment "Nice work with the Overrated Mary Sue." what does it mean?
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kijierqwert Featured By Owner Jan 11, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
But... Blaze is a canon character. Actually, there`s a person who browses through dA, and they comment on random art saying "Nice work with the Overrated Mary Sue."
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Angi-Shy Featured By Owner Dec 9, 2011  Professional General Artist
it means that the person sees the character mary-sueish...[link]
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nciryalis Featured By Owner Dec 9, 2011  Hobbyist Digital Artist
that's weird 0_o
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ThePoeticPaladin Featured By Owner Oct 10, 2011  Hobbyist Writer
This stamp represents the dumbest idea I can imagine.
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TheLingeringShadow Featured By Owner Sep 30, 2011
Isn't a Mary Sue like a character that has no flaws and is usually overpowered?
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Angi-Shy Featured By Owner Sep 30, 2011  Professional General Artist
yep
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TheLingeringShadow Featured By Owner Sep 30, 2011
Ah, okay. Thanks for clarifying.
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JudithEstelle Featured By Owner Sep 28, 2011
Agreed! :D
My characters have my own style and have more defects that virtues xDD
Is impossible that they are copied because they have created long time ago.
Really, people think a character is a Mary Sue/Gary Stu just because she / he is beautiful.
People don't care knowing your character's personalities or stories.
Anyway, if someone will tell you that he/she thinks your character is a Mary Sue/Gary Stu, he/she should make it respectfully.
The person who told me that, insulted me and upload a hate art and I never insulted him/her, so I had to block him/her :no:
Whatever, reading all this comments I can know I'm not the only one who had this problem ^^;
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FlawlesslyArtistic Featured By Owner Aug 9, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
Actually, a mary-sue is a female character that is perfect in every possible way and the favor of the author/artist.

But true. I hate when people say that my character is a mary-sue.
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the-shy-seadweller Featured By Owner Mar 17, 2012
[ Well only of course, every one hates it when someone labels their character as something they don't like. ]
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CelticKawaii Featured By Owner Jun 12, 2011  Student Traditional Artist
Now when you say "existing style," do you mean, for example, the cartoon style seen in Danny Phantom? If you mean like "drawn the same way you see people drawn in show X," then you're right, that's not a Mary Sue. I absolutely hate recolors. I hate how they call themselves "artists," when in reality, they basically take real art and mess with it!
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Angi-Shy Featured By Owner Jun 13, 2011  Professional General Artist
that's what i meant xD i know it can be confusing a bit... my bad english :noes:
and totally agree, recolouring is sooo poor... i know one girl that still copied my pictures and called them HER ART and that she is improving up X_x these people have a blank head xD
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Thongchan Featured By Owner Jun 6, 2011  Student Digital Artist
i have one person i wil not name called my OC a mary sue few min ago :\
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Angi-Shy Featured By Owner Jun 6, 2011  Professional General Artist
just a jealous person :meow:
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Thongchan Featured By Owner Jun 6, 2011  Student Digital Artist
lol yea xD
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AdioXGen Featured By Owner Mar 26, 2011
You win the internet!
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I support it.:)
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Feeling-Kitsune Featured By Owner Feb 23, 2011
actually a mary sue is a character that is too perfect, making it unoriginal. I still agree with the stamp tho. Also, ppl who dont know what a mary sue is seem to use it for everything they dont like >_<
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HatedLove6 Featured By Owner Apr 2, 2011  Hobbyist Writer
I don't quite agree with your first statement (I even wrote an article here if you want to read), as for the "seem to use it for everything they don't like," I agree.
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bobolita213 Featured By Owner Feb 7, 2011
Do people really call fan characters Mary Sues just because they're drawn in an existing style?! I can't believe my eyes... It looks like people simply need to bash something... It's so sad.
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Blood-B0xer Featured By Owner Dec 5, 2011  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Well in the real world people think they have the right to hurt other people or themselves as long as what they're doing isn't against the law.

For example, they think they have the right to be as lazy as they want, or rally their friends to hate someone for having an opinion.
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517NewCreation Featured By Owner Jan 11, 2011  Hobbyist Writer
Nice stamp! :aww: :hug:
But what is a Mary Sue? :confused:
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HatedLove6 Featured By Owner Apr 2, 2011  Hobbyist Writer
Here's my take on it if you still need it. [link]
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Angi-Shy Featured By Owner Jan 11, 2011  Professional General Artist
unoriginal characters that are created deliberately too cute, are in love with official characters, are annoying ect ^^;
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ChibiObsessor122 Featured By Owner Jan 5, 2011  Hobbyist Digital Artist
AMEN TO THAT BUDDY X3
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Wiimeiser Featured By Owner Jan 5, 2011
I gave Lisa a twin, but gave her completely different clothes and personality. She's an opposite of Lisa in many ways, wearing super-short skirts and always having an expose midriff, for one.
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Rannva Featured By Owner Jan 5, 2011
I agree with you about people yelling Mary-Sue at everyones OC, but what I have learned, is that it's not the apperance that makes a Mary-Sue, it's the character development. If we should take a real character from a book, and not fanfiction - Bella Swan. She doesn't find herself beautiful, she hates her own life, she finds school boring. Sounds pretty normal. But, all guys in the school wants to date her, even Edward who is a vampire and therefore should consier her only food, absolutely every girl in the school wants to be her bff and she gets straight A's without even trying. I tried to read the first book trough, but I couldn't stand the Mary-Sue who is Bella Swan.

You can also turn original character that you don't own into Mary-Sues. You've probably seen fanart of Severus Snape, Draco Malfoy or Hermione Granger, where they look like gods/godesses and in the fanfics the fanart is based upon, they have been stripped of all faults they had in the original books.

All people create Mary-Sues, sometime in their life. It's a matter about learning to move away from the ideal you have in your head about how someone should be to be loved, and create interesting characters.
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Agetian Featured By Owner Jan 5, 2011
An awesome stamp my friend, I completely agree with it! :aww: :heart: And don't ever care about such people who only envy you, us, and our community - they don't deserve the attention :hug:
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Angi-Shy Featured By Owner Jan 5, 2011  Professional General Artist
that's right ^^; mainly those people dont know anything about what is mary-sue, what is original, what not ect ^^;
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Agetian Featured By Owner Jan 5, 2011
Yeah I agree with you 100%! :nod: :hug:
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amIdeadnow Featured By Owner Jan 5, 2011
A Mary Sue is an annoying OC with no flaws who everyone in the canon world loves and worships. Basically, she's what the author wants to be and sometimes the result of a lack of affection in real life. Now, I can in no way judge what's Sue and what's not, but the easiest way to get an idea is just...well, the style doesn't matter, mostly, ask yourself if she's absolutely perfect, how much flaws she has, and is everyone in love/cares about her to some ridiculous extend, ect...in Animaniacs, you can tell a Mary Sue if Yakko or Wakko are so madly in love with her that they say, for instance, that they'd die without her and act differently from their usual characters. That's not to say that every OC paired with either of them is automatically a Sue, but it's just easy to make ones based around the Warners, because the author wants a Warner to love them, or their creation, and usually can't help herself.

The good thing is, a Sue can always be fixed if you work hard on her personality and make her easier to relate to :) so even if you end up making a Sue and someone tells you that, just ask them how you could improve.

And don't worry. Like I said, I'm not calling any of your OCs Sues, just in general, don't let things like that get you down. Nothing in writing or drawing is unfixable.
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